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Why Kenyans Are As Stupid As Monkeys
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Although I am a full-blooded African I am coming to believe what the REST of the world believes – the African is just as stupid as a monkey.

Take this silly support for Moreno Ocampo. How can people who claim to be intelligent and educated express support for what is essentially a neo-colonialist effort to subjugate Kenya? Ask yourself, why would a White man come all the way from Argentina to deliver “justice” to you? You think he loves you more than those Blacks in his own country who up to date they treat like slaves?

Why would America, which is not even a signatory to the Rome Statute, say that Kenya should be subject to the same courts it is not? Who committed the incredible tortures in Abu Ghraib? Has the ICC read the 400,000 Wikileaks documents that show that American forces killed about 800 unarmed civilians at road-blocks? That its forces tortured thousands? Has the ICC watched that terrible helicopter video of American aircraft killing journalists?

Why have Bush, Blair, Cheney and Rumsfield, who ACCORDING TO THE UNITED NATIONS itself started an illegal war that has cost about ONE MILLION Iraqi lives NOT been indicted for war-crimes?

Why has Netanyahu, WHO ORDERED THE MURDER OF ACTIVISTS IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS, not been indicted for war-crimes despite a UN report saying he committed crimes against humanity? Why not other Israeli politicians, who continue to break at least 10 UN resolutions on the illegal occupation and murder of of Palestinians?

Why has the ICC NOT acted on the Goldstein (a Jew, by the way) report on the illegal Gaza invasion (which killed 1400 Palestinians!) which said in no uncertain terms that Israel committed war crimes?

Why has the ICC, if it is so concerned with human rights ALL OVER the world, ONLY INDICTED AFRICANS? (To its credit, the African Union has complained about this trend). There was recently some terrible tribal violence in which about 2,500 people died in a Central Asian republic where the US has major military and oil interests – have you heard of an ICC investigation? Have you heard of an ICC investigation in Sri Lanka, where about 50,000 people died in final stages of the civil war? Have you heard of an ICC investigation in India, where the police have killed at least 3,000 while fighting Maoists guerrillas? Have you heard of an ICC investigation in Indonesia’s Papua province, where thousands have disappeared in the hands of the military? Have you heard of an ICC investigation in Myanmar, where the military is detaining thousands?

The examples can go on and on.

Among the countries now in the forefront ‘fighting’ for ‘justice’ for PEV are the British, who’s soldiers up to today leave unexploded bombs on the grazing fields of the Maasai and the Samburu, injuring and maiming thousands. The same British, according to the book ‘British Gulag’, who killed nearly half-a-million people in Central Kenya, AND WHO HAVE NEVER APOLOGISED OR OFFERED COMPENSATION. What has changed?

I am only one person, so if Kenyans are stupid enough to invite White supremacists with their evil plots back into their country, so be it. You think you are more special than the Somalis next door who are dying in millions from a conflict fueled by the same people? You think you are more special than the innocent Iraqis and Afghanis being blown up with high munitions?

How come you people don’t ever learn from history? Didn’t the slave traders in West Africa do the same thing – ask you to “hand over “ the bad people among you so that they could render justice? Didn’t you then hand over your opponents and those from the neighbouring tribe (they were taken to be slaves in America) in much the same way you want to hand over William Ruto to Ocampo?

Ati you want aid and help to develop. How come you have NOT developed over the last 150 years when you allowed Whites to lord over your lands? Now the same Whites are telling you, “China wants to exploit you”, and you believe it. How many stadiums and roads have the Americans and British, with their ‘justice and human rights’ rubbish built in Kenya compared to the Chinese?

For God’s sake JUST HOW STUPID CAN BLACK PEOPLE BE?

No wonder every race in the world calls us MONKEYS!

 

 

›› EXITING NOW  10-Nov-2010, reply_435245
Ok.

›› EXITING NOW
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435246
Tho monkey above is beautiful, av not yet seen a coloured one other than black and white.

›› Osoh
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435248
POINT TAKEN WATS NEXT OR YOU WANTED US TO DISCUSS, i think this listing should be featured

›› Bwang
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435252
@couchpotato,i agree entirely with every single word that u have said and im suprised that no one has replied accordingly and if u were talking about p—- or d—s,the column wud have been full by now. We Africans are the most stupid and ignorant and the worst human beings who do not have their own stand on issues that affect us! Brother,the jews kill and and humilliate the palestinians on daily basis and if u try to explain to any african,they will tell u that the jews are “children of God”!! so does that mean that the others are lesser beings or they were begotten by the devil? What about somalis? they kill each other and yet no one has made a move to stop it with the exception of Kaguta and Zenawi! Who is ocampo? we are all saying that Ruto shud go to Hague by who burnt that church with pipo in? are we so stupid that we follow blindly and then say we were told to do so? we did that in form twos but not when we are grown ups!!!! Monkeys!!!!!!!!!!

›› seeker
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435255
here we go again,

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435259
@Seeker: He he he he. You know you don’t have to read or comment, don’t you?@Osoh: Give out your views.

@Bwang: Thanks. Honestly, sometimes I get a headache. How can people be such dimwits?


›› Bwang
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435301
@couchpotato,just watch at how they say their sisters are ugly that they like white women and yet the white men don’t dig for black gals.

›› Half Jadhe Half Kyuk
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435322
Take this silly support for Moreno Ocampo. How can people who claim to be intelligent and educated express support for what is essentially a neo-colonialist effort to subjugate Kenya?Answer

Local justice system has been failed by people who dont only claim to be…but indeed are intelligent.
…………………………………………………………………………………….

Ask yourself, why would a White man come all the way from Argentina to deliver “justice” to you?

Answer:

Justice has continued to be denied to innocent folk who are paying the price. Think of Soysambu and Delamere getting 18 MONTHS ONLY for shooting a local with a shotgun.
……………………………………………..

How come you have NOT developed over the last 150 years when you allowed Whites to lord over your lands?

Answer

Africans were too smart to realize that YOU CANNOT DEVELOP WITH SOMEONE “LORDING OVER YOUR LAND”. Thats why genius Africans thought of MauMau. In a sence……removing “that lordship” was development in itself.
…………………………………………………………………………

You think he loves you more than those Blacks in his own country who up to date they treat like slaves?

Answer

He does not love us……..he loves his job!! Loves his money……..everyone should!!!

Now the same Whites are telling you, “China wants to exploit you”, and you believe it.

ANswer:

Yes…we believe it by Signing a 700 million dollar contract (something ignorant wazeee of your generation could not match …….even in shillings) with the chinese to have a megas super f—ing fast highway contracted in our country……that is the level of belief we have in self embetterment.

…………………………………………………………………………………

JUST HOW STUPID CAN BLACK PEOPLE BE?

Black people can only be equally as stupid as how well they refuses to settle and adapt to the prevailing situations to preserve future relevance. Bastards who are too proud to settle for plan B if he knows plan A is not working. Monkeys like CouchPotato who are merely an anacronism of the Nyayo Era!!!


›› Jerry De’Governor
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435330
jerry k like this…@Couch, i had not read it earlier..cool stuff props nigga

›› Bwang
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435335
@Half Jadhe Half Kyuk,at the issue of delamere geting the slap on the face sentence was by and large indication that the blackman no matter how well educated or intelligent still views the white as a superior. Imagine if that had happened in Mugabe land! that muzunguplus all his cronies wud have known what is justice,the african justice. As for theissue of(something ignorant wazee of ua generation cudnt march) go and ask again the real history from the real pipo and not from so called historian and ask how much the entire “white Highland” limuru wa sold by the “wazees” and how much blood was spilt to get back. get to know the real history and not just from internet savy pipo!

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435337
Opening investigations into crimes committed by a state that does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC is a complicated affair. As we write this, Louis Moreno-Ocampo is examining whether or not he has the authority to investigate crimes committed in the Gaza territory. In January 2009, the Minister of Justice of Palestinian National Authority, Mr Ali Khasan (sp?) brought to the ICC an ad hoc declaration accepting the jurisdiction of the ICC. But the question is whether or not Palestine can be qualified as a state. Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert had at the time sworn that Israel would keep serving soldiers safe from any tribunal. Israel is not signatory to the Rome Statutes. 

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435338
@1/2: he he he! Unfortunately, you don’t make much sense from where I sit. If you have to answer, answer all, stop cherry-picking. Fact is, if you ask a nursery school kid in Brazil, Japan or Russia which the most stupid race is in the world, they’ll all say BLACKS.Why? Answer: Just re-read my listing

@Jerry K & Bwang: You are welcome


›› annoym26
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435339
Very well put and I agree with you in all the respects. I am a Kenyan I got fed up with the discrimination and the Race worshipping that goes on in my Kenya. A typical example would be coming to the JKIA Airport it doesn’t matter where you are coming from only the Africans/Kenyans are subjected to the checks and humiliation by the KRA official , While the white people smuggle in things into the country. I would really like all the Kenyans to know or just see how they or black people are treated at the Airport outside Kenya take for example in Egypt where I changed flights once and vowed by no means to travel through country and would advice one to fly with despite them being a cheap airline.Back to the topic at hand you first need to ask yourself how is the ICC funded? Through your taxes and how many Kenyans are working there inn comparison the Europeans? Are they going to bring justice into the country? I would encourage everyone to read the book called the confessions of an economic hitman by John Perkins It details how we are manipulated as a people from the developing nations to give away our resources, use our country as a training bases and vote with the donor countries in UN, and if you go against them the repercussion are detrimental .
We are our own enemies, and to point out the obvious there is no ‘DONOR AID’ It’s a loan that we are indebted and out grandchildren will be indebted.

To solve the predicament in Kenya and Africa we need an Overhaul in the Police, Judicial, Penitentiary and above all is the change of attitude in regard to impunity, It is a culture ingrained in us as a people and until we realize that we are always going to be a nation or nations in trouble.

Monkey see monkey do business has to stop, a good example is journalism if you look at the images in CNN in regard to Africa and Kenya they are always subjective with a ne especially during the PEV, they just showed some downright unethical images. How many time have you seen corpses families in international media in regard to western families?

I could go further about this rant, don’t even know anyone is going to read it!


›› Bwang
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435341
@Half Jadhe Half Kyuk,by the way,i admire that profile name Half Jadhe,Half Kyuk. True kenyan. Nothing personal,we are just discussing to make kenya a better place for tommorows generation. uko sawa mzee.

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435346
couchtwo words …WELL SAID

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435347
@Eazy: OK, since you are sober, I’ll engage you. SUDAN IS NOT A SIGNATORY TO THE ROME STATUTE, SO WHERE DID THE ICC GET ITS MANDATE TO INDICT PRESIDENT BASHIR?

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435360
@annonym26: The problem with many Kenyans is that they have never travelled. Instead of using the Internet to read widely, they use it to surf porn. They trust the local press, which is corrupt and allows itself to be manipulated by Western interests (the Nation Media Group for example has almost become the official mouthpiece of the US embassy) for warped news analysis.It’s tragic really, when a whole people allow themselves to be slaves to other people, suspending their God-given right to think for themselves.

Take US ambassador to Kenya, Ranneburger, for example. HOW CAN WE CLAIM TO HAVE JOURNALISTS WHEN NONE OF THEM ASKS HIM SEVERAL SIMPLE QUESTIONS WHENEVER HE DECIDES TO LECTURE US ON DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS? QUESTIONS LIKE:

• Blacks form only 15 per cent of the US population. How come 40 per cent of all convicts are African-Americans?

• How can you support the idea of Kenyansbeing taken to the ICC when your own country is NOT a member?

• Until recently, the US designated Nelson Mandela a terrorist. Have you apologised to him?

• In 1980, a US navyman Frank Sandstorm was convicted by a Mombasa of murdering a Kenyan prostitute, Njeri. Did the US govt pay any compensation to thewoman’s family?

• In 1998, 250 Kenyans lost their lives in the embassy bombings. Why does the US continue to refuse to pay compensation to their families, given its own ambassador had warned of the attack?

These are the kind of questions I expect competent journalists to ask, but do they?


›› jaap
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435375
Good stufffff you bloody monkeys as couch puts it

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435377
CouchJust ask them why are farmers in EU and Us heavily subsidised yet we are not allowed to subsidize ours ,look at the structural adjustment programmes of the 80s,the gatt/wto treaty and how lopsided they are

Security council and veto powers structure .why do they have veto powers and we dont,why are they deemed ”responsible enuff ” to have nucleur power/weapons yet we cannot even dare

Is it a case of Africans accepting ”we are all equal but the whites are more equal than us?”


›› annoym26
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435379
It is indeed really sad, however not many Kenyans or people can be able to connect the dots. They are glued to TV watching the illusions from Hollywood, which is a far cry from the reality. To make it worse the politician are in power to protect their own interests and benefit from the taxes of the working people. I really when are the Kenyans ever going to wake up?

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435387
@Kingkenny: You have hit the nail on the head with the UN thing.Five countries – the US, China, Britain, Russia and France (they were the victors of 2nd World War) have veto powers, meaning that any of them can cancel any resolution passed by the rest of the world!

To illustrate how ridiculous this is, CONSIDER THAT BRITAIN HAS A POPULATION OF JUST 50 MILLION PEOPLE (10 MILLION LESS THAN KENYA)

Yet, IT CAN BLOCK A UN RESOLUTION PASSED BY 190 COUNTRIES INCLUDING INDIA (1.1 BILLION PEOPLE), BRAZIL (70 MILLION), IRAN (70 MILLION PEOPLE) ETC ETC.

And the local ambassador has the guts to talk to us about DEMOCRACY! What democracy is there when a country of 50 million can block what 5 BILLION people have passed?


›› Half Jadhe Half Kyuk
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435392
• In 1980, a US navyman Frank Sandstorm was convicted by a Mombasa of murdering a Kenyan prostitute, Njeri. Did the US govt pay any compensation to thewoman’s family?…………………………………………………………………………

@Couchpotato___Let me come down to your level……wewe dereva wa matatu yako akienda home amnyonge nakuuwa bibi yake……..ni wewe mwenye matatu unashida ama ni fala mwenyewe?? Wewe mwenye matatu ndio utacompensate the family of the deceased???


›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435407
halfSandstorm was fined 500 kshs …!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!have you ever heard of murder /manslaughter case ending up in a fine? Are you naive to think that justice was done without pressure from the Us protecting their own?

Couch .Democracy? What Democracy ,how can somebody win an election with about 30 pc of the vote in Gb and the system of electoral colleges in the Us that nobody can explain as democracy nor is it Democracy by any stretch of the imagination ,and where was Democracy in 2000 when Bush rigged himself in vide the expertise of his brother Jeb ,the then guvna of Florida where blacks were blatantly removed from the voters roll as they were perceived to be sympathetic to Gore


›› Bemupamlume
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435409
@Couch, I 100% Agree with your Post, I had 100% thopught about the same sentiments quiet sometime back, Unlike you, I have been looking tfor something else so that I can be able to put that across but up to now I have not gotten it.

I was looking for the answer to this Question.

What Happens now in case an African Leader perpetrates violence which leads to Genocide?

This is bearing in mind that we have NO African Joint Court and Jail Yet.
If lets say Raila is found Guilty by Kenyan Courts today and is Jailed in Kenya, the environment is still that Luos will uproot railway and there will be unstoppable Violence in Kenya, The Judge who made the ruling will be sought and lynched, and believe me, there is no enough Military to stop violence in case Kibaki, Raila, and may be Ruto is jailed today.

So, in Short, What solution do we have us Monkeys??


›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435412
I can also cite the syphilis experiments on blacks in the 40/50s in Tennessee and the blatant supply and facilitation of supply of hard drugs to the blacks in the ghettos at subsidised rates by the CIA tonot only get the blacks hooked and out of the mainstream thus enforcing the view that blacks are useless as well as using the funds to finance their covert operations and amidst all this the palestinians are christened terrorists and massacred for fighting for a homeland ,whilst brutal dictators like Suharto are propped up in power so that American Corporations can fleece the Indonesian ArchipelagoWake up and smell the coffee fellow Africans you are being used as pawns and the worse thing is that they do it whilst u smile and say yessir massa sir u da man

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435415
*were propped*

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435427
“SUDAN IS NOT A SIGNATORY TO THE ROME STATUTE, SO WHERE DID THE ICC GET ITS MANDATE TO INDICT PRESIDENT BASHIR?”As far as the Darfur case goes, the ICC is a toothless dog. They can bark all they want, but as long as Khartoum chooses not to co-operate, there’s nothing the ICC can do.

 


›› Half Jadhe Half Kyuk
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435431
@Couch____Umesikia hiyo ^^^^^^^ swali ya bemupaniiiniii???Eeeeeeeh????? ONGEA!!!!!!!!!

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435434
BemuThe fact that we do not have an African solution to date is the mainstay of Couch potatos arguments i.e why cant we have our own justice as opposed to the West imposing theirs on us

As for Jaluos doing their thing as you imply and are afraid of just proves couch’s point i.e have we descended to the level of savages that justice cannot be done without taking into account tribal politics?


›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435439
@Kingkenny: I had respect for you, but that respect is now multiplied by 1,000. You are a man, not a monkey.That Sandstorm guy was fined Sh500 like he had killed a cockroach, not a human being. Your knowledge of GB and US politics is impressive. The other day I was watching Al Jazeera, and I was shocked to learn that in Florida, there’s constituency that goes like from Kasarani to Karen, curving out the black neighbourhoods so that blacks and whites don’t vote together! Pure racism! The syphilis experiments were going on until just about 30 years ago, can you imagine that?

@Bemu: I’ve told you before that we agree on more than you think. Being Muslim, for example, I know you know about the Palestinian issue. Israel has just announced that it will build 1,000 homes in East Jerusalem (Palestinian land!) and guess what? All Obama has said is that he “regrets” the action. Regrets, my ass! And tomorrow, the Israelis will continue using American-made bombs to blow up Palestinian children in their cradles!

About your question, the solution for us lies in strengthening our own systems. In a way, Kenya is doing the right thing in strengthening democracy and the rule of law. This will prevent things like the PEV from reccurring.

Countries like Kenya can then help smaller African countries to emerge as democracies without the subjecting them to bullying and embarrassment the way the West likes doing (did you hear Hillary Clinton taking credit for our new constitution, when everybody knows Kenyans have been fighting for it for the last 20 years?)

@Eazy: The question was, why did the ICC indict Bashir when his country is NOT a member, yet they cannot indict Bush and Blair?


›› Bemupamlume
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435446

@KingKenny, I dont know you and I dont know whether Couch’s post side with your political dispensation or not, But my Sentiments are well thought and calculated brother, You as well think Well and calculate, and make a good Answer, an answer which the Person who escaped death but watched as his Handsome 5year old son and wife Burnt to death.
Let your answer satisfy the Boy who run away till he passed out and found himself later in Uganda, and up to now does not know whether his father and mother are alive or not.(I hope you watch news)

Let your Answer In still fear in anyone who is planning to hide behind a Tribe in 2012 and spin political violence and murder, let your answer make him even never to think of doing that.


›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435447
@All: By the way, I am informed by a confidant that the local CIA station goes through all listings here. Let them know how we feel!

›› Shiku K
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435448
😀 trully takes one to know another….

›› Bemupamlume
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435450

@Couch, after you ponder on my reply to Kingkenny, also consider that 2012 is around the corner and Youths, including here on Klist are already Tribally regrouping. Waht hope do we have before 2012?
And plz, dont insult me, I agree with Blatant Truth always, not because it favors Muslims, or Coasterians, or ODM(am and ODM Member)

›› afriQDef
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435454
…i dont care by/thru whose hands they pay..but pay they must, one way or the other..ndio iwe funzo kwa wengine..yes, the ICC may be hypocritical ,discriminitive even in their attempt at justice but who cares…some countries are members others arent, but Kenya is, so there…
_When u say wakenya wake up..what exactly are we waking up to do??? are we going to prosecute these idiots ourselves? we cant even peacefully, let alone hurriedly put in place mechanisms good enough to deal with this kind of impunity!
_and anyway, what is there for us to lose if a few mongrels are tried and thrown into the can for wrongs ‘we all know’ they did??
_YES I AM AWAKE, MY EYES ARE WIDE OPEN AND I LIKE WHAT I SEE
Signed:.. just another stupid Kenyan monkey with nothing to lose

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435456
@Bemu: Sasa nime-kuinsult wapi? Read my response up here. I agree entirely with Kingkenny. 

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435459
@afriQDef: I understand your anger at the PEV. But how many people died in the thing? 1,300. How many people did the British kill between 1952 and 1959? According to one BRITISH author, more than 300,000!So, if you truly, truly treasure HUMAN life, ask for justice for the 300,000 as you ask for it for the 1,300.

Thank you.


›› Bemupamlume
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435462
@Couch
Kule Kusema Nakubaliana na wewe kwa kuwa hili swala linagusia Waislamu wa palestine na mimi ni Muislamu.
This is to try to implicate that I agree with what favors my side, and not necessarily the truth. This is wrong, or thats how I understood it.

Your Truth above is something even an American Philosopher wont be able to oppose easily.


›› Bemupamlume
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435464

@Couch, am out for Asr Prayers, but you have Missed it here:
“So, if you truly, truly treasure HUMAN life, ask for justice for the 300,000 as you ask for it for the 1,300.”

Thank you.

Justice must be sought even for the death of a single person.

Plz put the Whites aside, and Propose a good solution for us, @Kingkenny has not said anything worth implementing.


›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435466
BemuI appreciate your concerns and those concerns should be primary to every kenyan ,that is why i believe we should have our own systems in place and we as kenyans should learn and appreciate that justice must be done preferably in-house and that the same said justice is tribal proof,i agree with you that our justice is bure kabisa and it is so by design not by default as we as the kenyan voters have totally sold our birthrights

I would like to draw your attention to an interview by Paul Kagame when he was asked what would happen to Rwanda if he resigns from power the implication being that he is the one who holds it together ,his answer was pure poetry ..essence of which.”i expect that Rwanda will have built up systems and structures in place that are above board in terms of delivery and in terms of accountability ,systems that are above myopic politics and tribal bases but focus on good governance and accountability as well as transparency”


›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435470
@Bemu: To tell you the truth, I don’t understand why you are making noise. If you notice, I had brought the issue of Palestinians even before you joined the debate! Again, if you re-read the statement you have bolded, surely you can see it says we get JUSTICE FOR ALL?@Kingkenny: I agree with you 10,001%.

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435473
Bemuthe post is not about solutions as i understood it but the genesis of the problem,you have said i havent stated anything worth implementing ,neither have you ,All you have done is stated the problem and then utopian adages of justice for all ,whilst i have been dissecting the genesis of our problems

Its jusy like saying all murderers in Kenya and carjackers should be sent abroad for justice to be dispensed bcos our system is lacking whilst i agree with you on its deficiencies but believe that the onus is on us to make the system work

nothing is by default in this world its all by design and in that you cannot leave the white men out of it no matter how u try as he has designed the financial systems of these worlds and all major trade treaties so as to substitute colonialism with economic slavery so as you will always be a subjugated people,running to them for justice just reinforces the view that you are incapable of even the mundane things in life


›› Jerry De’Governor
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435477
@kingkenny, wawawa hio ngoso jo …..kwani tulikuwa nawewe Braeburn na uniambiangi budah

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435478
“So, if you truly, truly treasure HUMAN life, ask for justice for the 300,000 as you ask for it for the 1,300.”Thank you.

can u ask ocampo to do the same to bush and blair please as well as sharon(sabra wa chatilla) and netanyahu (gaza and lebanon)


›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435479
jerrymimi” mekanik” wa delamere …hehehe

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435484
“why did the ICC indict Bashir when his country is NOT a member, yet they cannot indict Bush and Blair”In which case you have an argument against the UN Security Council, not with the ICC.
The ICC can only investigate and prosecute cases that have been brought before it.
Which as Half says, Moreno, is doing admirably and with commendable vigour.

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435490
Eazyvigour yes admirably not ,why is justice pursued with vigour only to Africans and the Baltics ?shouldnt the same standards be upheld for all?Why blame the UN sec council ?the Rome statutes are independent of them as i understand it

›› seeker
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435504
^^^^^^^^^^ and there, you have the answer that has been eluding you all these time, 

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435506
@Eazy: Am always amused when people try to defend the indefensible. The US is a member of the Security Council, which can refer countries to the ICC.YET THE US itself is NOT a member of the ICC!

In other words, the US can refer countries like Sudan to a court which itself does NOT subscribe to! How can that court then claim to be fair, if one of its major principles does NOT even recognise it?

Common sense please! That’s why am saying, before people clap for Ocampo, let them do basic reading on how neo-imperialism works through bodies like the ICC, the World Bank and the IMF.

Today, our farmers are suffering from the weight of wheat, milk and other farm produce from Europe, WHICH IS ALL SUBSIDIZED AS Kingkenny pointed out. Our people work hard but are still poor, why?

When you ask, you are told it’s because of corruption. THE REAL CAUSE IS THAT OUR ECONOMIES ARE BEING SUCKED DRY THROUGH UNEQUAL TRADING SYSTEMS.

CORRUPTION IS JUST A CONVENIENT LIE!

 


›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435519
›› KingKenny 10-Nov-2010, reply_435490 › Report this user/reply
Eazy
Why blame the UN sec council ?the Rome statutes are independent of them as i understand it
Then you understand it wrong. The Rome statutes allow for the UN Security Council to prompt the ICC to open investigations into non-member states.

›› couchpotato 10-Nov-2010, reply_435506 › Report this user/reply
@Eazy: Am always amused when people try to defend the indefensible. The US is a member of the Security Council, which can refer countries to the ICC.
YET THE US itself is NOT a member of the ICC!
In other words, the US can refer countries like Sudan to a court which itself does NOT subscribe to! How can that court then claim to be fair, if one of its major principles does NOT even recognise it?
Common sense please!

How is any of that the ICC’s fault? The ICC can only investigate cases within it’s jurisdiction. If the UN Security Council does not move to charge the US before the ICC then the ICC cannot act. As you say, “common sense please.”

 


›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435526
prompt does not mean inertia or control @eazy

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435532
Kingkenny, there is no other non-state body that can refer non-member states to the ICC.

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435539
@Eazy: At last you are correct!Technically,it is NOT the ICC’s fault that it cannot indict the US or Americans. To indict them, the US itself would have to refer itself to the ICC at the UN Security Council, which cannot happen in a million years.

So the law is crafted in a way that countries like the US and Israel or their citizens CANNOT be indicted by the ICC! How terribly convenient?

Meanwhile, back in the zoo, the US ambassador is dancing himself lame telling us what a good thing the ICC is!

Common sense, I say, Eazy, common sense! Surely you are better than this?


›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435546
Oh, and by the way Eazy, we must remember that the ICC was not delivered to us from Mars. It was crafted by these same powers that said its mandate would start from 2001, so THAT IT CONVENIENTLY EXCLUDES ALL THEIR SINS IN THINGS LIKE THE RAPE OF CONGO, THE RWANDA GENOCIDE, THE MAU MAU GENOCIDE, THE SOUTH AFRICAN HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES, ETC ETC.So you cannot say the ICC is blameles when it is a creature of evil and devilish manipulation! As we say in East Africa, mtoto wa nyoka ni nyoka!

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435550

›› couchpotato 10-Nov-2010, reply_435539 › Report this user/reply
Technically,it is NOT the ICC’s fault that it cannot indict the US or Americans.
So the law is crafted in a way that countries like the US and Israel or their citizens CANNOT be indicted by the ICC! How terribly convenient?
Nothing with technicality here. It is NOT within the ICC’s jurisdiction to investigate the US unless and until it is charged.
You are also wrong about the second part. The US and Israel can indeed be investigated. If the crimes are committed within the territorial boundaries of a member state, then that state can write directly to the ICC conferring jurisdiction to it to take up the case.

›› matoem
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435558
Listers, this has been one of the most constructive and most objective listing that has been featured this year. I can attribute this to one couch, who although at times really gets into people’s nerves has a way of intelligently putting argumentative topics for the listers to actively and intellectualy debate on.
This is by far way above some mediocre listings that some of the listers have actively been posting (you all know them).I suggest that admin features this listing!
Black people have a big problem, and we need to appreciate that fact first before we go gagaga about white superiority. The black American preacher who received a rather harsh criticism for his personal opinion on the black people and why they shall forever play second fiddle to the white race. A lot of what he says is so true. For the sake of those who missed it…here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vgZaQrddSE
We are greedy, short sighted, right from JKIA you start feeling the heat when the KRA guys harass you as they go through your luggage, and sometimes for heaven sake all you have are undergarments change! We divert funds meant to help the others for our own keeps, look at some communist states like Japan, they make sure none of their citizens are in extreme poverty.
We’ve got to change people! Our priorities are all skewed, right from the guy in the village. Let us stop blaming the leaders; we have elected them into those offices anyway. The so called elites (read educated), are wallowing in utter mediocrity. Just look at some guys who pride themselves as independent minded, they are busy worshiping the ground their so called tribal leaders trend on, reasons; pure greed (read – hoping to get parastatal appointment, or supply the govt agencies with stuff).
That’s why the white, the yellow and the red will not stop teaching their kids that the black people are the most stupid in the human race, we are the problem!

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435567
@Matoem: Well-spoken, with only one minor correction. The communist country you are talking about is China, not Japan

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435569
matoem, the listing has its merits and demerits.
That the black race lags behind intellectually is a valid argument, though not adequately supported on this listing.
Tearing into the ICC was uncalled for. It has its mandate, and so far it is carrying out its mandate as well as it should or as well as it can, whichever the case.

›› annoym26
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435580
Couchpotato – Thank you for saying it loud and initiating a debate. We need some solutions or rather we need a leader who is a visionary. A good example was Thomas Sankara from Burkina Faso. You can have a look at Wikipedia to comprehend his accomplishments and contribution to humanity and to Africa.

›› Jerry De’Governor
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435595
commercial break pliz..continue after reading this…do not respond sawa just continue with thread after reading…okaynow @Matoem, i do not like the way u come here ati “mediocre listings bla bla bla”..nigga what do u take other k-listers for. Fool u are among the so called people who post mediocre listings..ama u think i cannot view ua IP address & to make matters worse u have also used ua other handle in this same same listing making my work of hunting u easier. To me sir u are a sewage rat.. poitho..mtu anajoin 2007 and has no listing..hey tafuta massai Narok banaa..lakini si hapa

›› matoem
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435598
@ couch, Japan is hell one of a communist state! only that its not so pronounced like that of china! I leave here, so i know and you just look at their systems.
@ Eazy, that can be debated

›› matoem
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435600
@Jerry, well said Jerry K, i respect your views!You are a brilliant chap who is wasting away! Check my ip again.

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435609
exemplar behaviour esp in the judiciary is when you pursue justice and equality for all ,if ur mandate is limited or controlled from above such that you are limited in your pursuit of justice or who u can pursue and prosecute then you are not exemplary, just a puppet with a big title,salary and budget

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435612
doesnt make him any different from a certain Mr Evans ,yet we crucify one and applaud the other ,or is it a colour thing?

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435616
Kingkenny, a court cannot prosecute a case that is not before it./end argument.

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435620
and a court cannot pursue what is beyond its jurisdiction@eazy nor can a court have any moral authority when it is not inde[pendentcant say end argument bcos i dont have the intellectual monopoly that u hog, pole

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435625
Ok. Let me put it in a different way.For a court to hold proceedings against you, someone has to charge you in that court.
If no one stands up to charge you before that court.
Then there’s no way you can say it is the court’s fault.
Or do you want some judge in Kericho somewhere to just wake up one day and start proceedings against you for sexual harassment?

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435627
”If no one stands up to charge you before that court.
Then there’s no way you can say it is the court’s fault.”
No i wont say its the courts fault but when no one is Allowed to charge me then i will say it is a Kangaroo court and the judges and prosecutors are Kangaroos and not exemplary dispensers of justice,u cannot be part of a con and say hey i was just appointed am not the conman,or can you?

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435632
Ok step by step.
Who is not allowed to be referred to the ICC?
And how is the ICC a con?

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435635
how can its jurisdiction be limited?why has it not even pursued the blairs and bushes /netanyahus of this world

the limitations of its jurisdiction directly or indirectly vide the sec council is the con

post election violence whilst abhorrable was/is and will not be limited to Kenya and im noyt saying the purveyors of that violence shld not be prosecuted nor am i protesting their innocence


›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435638
limited to signatories of the Rome statutes that is

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435644
@Kingkenny: Discussing this matter with people like Eazy is like banging your head against a wall. It is useless. I say this because as a person who prides in logical thought, I often accept defeat when a counter-argument seems more plausible.The problem with many Black people is that they are not able to remove themselves from their petty domestic squabbles to see the big picture. With these people, the ICC MUST be good because it is SCREWING Ruto, Uhuru or whoever. Lost on them is the simple fact that this is the same tactic the White man has used over and over again to oppress other races – today he will make an alliance with the Kikuyu to crush the Kamba, but tomorrow he will make another alliance with the Luo to crush his former allies, the Kamba!

Kwani who gave Saddam Hussein the arms to attack Iran in 1980? Say it with me boys and gals: US and Europe! Fastforward to 1990s. Who formed alliances with Saudi/Kuwait?UAE etc to fight Saddam? Who ultimately hanged Saddam? His former allies against Iran!

Those like Saddam who continue to champion Western interests will come to realise when it is too late they were sleeping with a snake. A snake with more than 2,000 years experience in manipulation and murder of innocents including Red Indians, Aborigines, the Herero of Namibia, the Kikuyu, Nandi, Maasai and others of Kenya, etc etc. And then they come here talking to us about “human rights” – is it Kenyans who have almost eliminated the Aborigines of Australia?

If people cannot learn from basic history, then they are doomed! The mzungu wants to rule the world for a thousand more years, and each of us MUST do their part to reclaim our humanity.

So, what is Eazy disputing?

• Is he disputing that the ICC was set up by Western powers?
•Is he disputing that the US is NOT a member BUT can (INCREDIBLY!) refer other countries to the court (this by itself makes the ICC a Kangaroo court!)
• Is he disputing that the ICC statute was crafted to avoid White crimes against humanity?
• Is he disputing that people like Bush, Blair, Cheney, Netanyahu have committed war crimes and are yet not before the ICC (By the way, Netanyahu can NOT travel to 8 European countries, but our beloved Ocampo still has not seen the need to indict him)
• Is he disputing that virtually all the people indicted by the ICC are Africans, as if Africans are the evil people who killed more than 100 million people in the last Century?

I could go on and on and on, but what’s the use? The facts speak for themselves.


›› afriQDef
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435670

…we need to disengage from the hated discriminatory ICC and form an African Criminal Court…that way, black monkeys will be dealing with their fellows, no beef there…we’ll rule our own little black world and no one’s gonna be calling us stupid no more..

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435672
Kingkenny, I cannot make out what you are trying to say.Couch.
First keep off the goddamn argumentum ad hominems all they do is suggest shallow mindedness.

What is your argument. That the ICC is inept? Or that the security council like all other UN bodies is silly?

On your many questions. I dispute most of them.

Netanyahu, can not be indicted because no credible case has been brought up against Israel under his watch. The Palestine Authority brought up a case, but that is likely to affect Olmert Ehud than Netanyahu. Though I do not think that case will even get a hearing. Not because of ineptitude of the ICC much the opposite, because of their keen interpretation of the law.


›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435676
What both you and Kingkenny fail to notice, is that member states do not have to go through that silly security council. All they have to prove is that the crimes were within the jurisdiction of the ICC and they were committed within the territorial boundaries of the said state. Once they prove these two provisions, they can hand over jurisdiction to the ICC and Blair/Bush/Netanyahu will have to be indicted.

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435680
›› couchpotato 10-Nov-2010, reply_435644 › Report this user/reply
I say this because as a person who prides in logical thought…
I can shred that statement to little pieces couchpotato.
Kenyanlist is littered with innumerable instances where you display grotesque ineptitude when it comes to (your attempts at) logical thinking.

›› cogito ergo sum
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435685
@Eazy, Kuna mtu hapa poisoning the well.

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435690
lol, cogito, you captured that one perfectly.
na huyo mwenzake decided to prop up a red herring for me.
 

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435692
@afriQDef: I hope you don’t take this to be condescending but I HONESTLY like a lady with a passionate opinion. I may disgree with you, but you have my deepest respect.@Eazy: There you go again, self-destructing.

›› Bwang
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435695
@afriQDef ,i agree na hiyo. lets form our own ACC where by the “monkeys” will deal with “monkeys” and not like in George Orwell’s animal farm where some animals are more equal than others.

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435705
Potato, you may have failed to notice it, but my replies to you have been greatly edited to concentrate on parts I thought were relevant. If I was to look at this listing and your replies critically and nit pick them, you would get a big fat fail and your assertion that you pride your self in logical thought would come a cropper.Logical thought is methodical, structured and makes use of deductive or inductive systems. You must start from a premise that holds and proceed within a structure that’s solid using methods that are sound. I’ve never seen you do any of that.

You can argue in your local bar alright, but do not go lying to yourself that you are capable of constructing a logical argument. You’d be attempting to fit into an oversized coat.


›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435716
@Eazy: At the risk of sinking to your level, I can easily tell the game you are at. By playing the contrarian, you hope to gain prominence and leverage, two things that have eluded you here. And what better way to do that than to go for CouchP himself?The reason I indulge you, even with a reply such as this, is that I know this is a developmental phase. It will pass. What’s more, I think you have a first-class mind, which is still rather new, unfortunately.

Your tragedy is that knowing you are intelligent you let arrogance and a petty bourgeois attitude, driven in part by conceit and the other by the foolishness of youth, to drive you. This is self-evident to most Klisters, going by the number of views your listings elicit.

You will notice that I no longer bother to answer the snide remarks of some of your good friends. The only reason I answer yours, as an older man, is that am obligated by own beliefs to try and make the world a better place.

If I could somehow make you to be more considered in your utterances and outlook, I would have succeded beyond my wildest dreams.


›› paparatzzi
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435735
“Some of the Turks [i.e., the
Mongol race] and the nomads in
the North, and the Blacks and
the nomads in the South, and
those who resemble them in our
climates. And their nature is like
the nature of mute animals, and
according to my opinion they
are not on the level of human
beings, and their level among
existing things is below that of
a man and above that of a
monkey, because they have the
image and the resemblance of a
man more than a monkey does.”
Israel Shahak, Jewish History,
Jewish Religion, Pluto Press,
London 1994, page 24/25
(Chapter 2: Prejudice and
Prevarication)

›› KingKenny
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435751
”na huyo mwenzake decided to prop up a red herring for me.”paranoid ?@eazy or the classic theory of counter attack i.e either trivialise the argument or belittle the proponent of the argument

›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435762
@Paparatzzi: You have nailed it. If you read my opinions above, you will see that prejudice that dictates that Ruto can be taken to the Hague but Blair cannot goes way, way back. That’s why I insist that Black men and women like you and me MUST CLAIM OUR HUMANITY, BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY.

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435780
Potato, if you want us to dissect personalities, then let us play ball. Sawa, since you’ve gone ahead with your offensive, I will take up my defence for now.@Eazy: At the risk of sinking to your level,
Correction, I am lowering myself to your level. Look at the thread afresh. I was loyal to the issues. Then you came in with a clear effort to poison the well neatly rolled up in an ad hom attack.

I can easily tell the game you are at. By playing the contrarian, you hope to gain prominence and leverage, two things that have eluded you here.
This sentence says more about how youthink than it says anything about me. I am guided by ideas, not people. Note that I champion my views consistently without fear because I know I can defend them, not because others expect it of me.

And what better way to do that than to go for CouchP himself
You can flatter yourself if you wish. From my end, I find you clownish, and somewhat of a wannabe-intellectual nothing more.

The reason I indulge you, even with a reply such as this, is that I know this is a developmental phase. It will pass.
More insight into your thought process.

What’s more, I think you have a first-class mind, which is still rather new, unfortunately.
More insight into your thought process.

Your tragedy is that knowing you are intelligent you let arrogance and a petty bourgeois attitude, driven in part by conceit and the other by the foolishness of youth, to drive you.
It is my opinion that stupidity should be treated with the contempt it deserves. If you interpret that as a petty bourgeois attitude, then that is your own opinion, which unfortunately you are entitled to too.

This is self-evident to most Klisters, going by the number of views your listings elicit.
Yet more insight into your thought process.

You will notice that I no longer bother to answer the snide remarks of some of your good friends. The only reason I answer yours, as an older man, is that am obligated by own beliefs to try and make the world a better place.
LMAO. Pathological liar. Off the top of my mind, this is a third instance I can remember of you lying with a straight face. Clown.

If I could somehow make you to be more considered in your utterances and outlook, I would have succeded beyond my wildest dreams.
I’m not quite sure, I would be willing to learn anything from you, however well meaning. I try my best to be objective at all times, but there are times, I will readily admit to a bias. This is one of those. And it is not conceit I feel towards you by the way, it’s contempt. There’s a subtle difference. Nuance.


›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435783
›› KingKenny 10-Nov-2010, reply_435751 › Report this user/reply
”na huyo mwenzake decided to prop up a red herring for me.”
paranoid ?@eazy or the classic theory of counter attack i.e either trivialise the argument or belittle the proponent of the argument
King, please do me a favour and encapsulate your ideas in proper grammatically correct sentences. Just that favour, nothing more.
As for that reply, I was merely pointing out that you abandoned your original bunker and dangled for me a new carrot elsewhere.
It was a commentary on the shape the argument was taking at that moment.

›› JP
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435785
Forwarded:The accusations about Moreno Ocampo being “white” and hence racists are baseless. ICC prosecutors are elected just like any other positions by signatory member countries. He was elected to ICC in 2003. Anyone can be an ICC prosecutor as long as you qualify and have enough votes. It has nothing to do with race. Ocampo has prosecuted other “white” war genocide criminals in Columbia (Latin America). My point is he is not picking out only Kenyans or Al Bashir of The Sudan. He is doing his job. These people committed genocide by brutally killing roughly 1,500 innocent Kenyans after the 2007 elections. Their families need justice. If the prosecutor was African or Kenyan, he/she will follow the law and prosecute perpetrators of genocide regardless of race.

About the Iraq war, the US prosecuted and sentenced troops who took part in ugly Abu Ghraib tortures. They are in the process of investigating other war crimes that were committed by US troops in Iraq. Remember in Iraq majority of people who were killed by US forces were insurgents. Innocent people (collateral damage) were killed too but that is being investigated.


›› Ashum4
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435797
Dependecy is here to stay for a while. African countries need to build capacity to support to its own civil society in carrying out its own activities to guarantee civil rights, pluralism, social justice, accountability, the rule of law and peace as it transition to democracy. My two cent contribution. 

›› Eazy
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435799
I do not need to kiss anyone’s ass for anything. Thank you.
This thing of pulling out the race card at everything is getting old. Luis Moreno Ocampo has a duty to perform, and he is performing it to the best of his ability. If someone brings up a credible case against a ‘white nation leader’ I have full confidence that he would pursue it. He so far has not shown any sign of his office being racially motivated.

›› Dr.Jakenya(PhD,OGW)
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435809
›› KingKenny 10-Nov-2010, reply_435792 › Report this user/reply
Eazy
JP
” ? so if they can prosecute them in-house why are we not given that option?

@kingkenny,kenyans were given the opportunity of forming a local tribunal which was an “in house option”..

so what do you by by asking why we were not given an inhouse option?

us monkeys were given the opportunity to solve our monkey problems locally,we couldnt,so human beings in form of ocampo have been sent to do it for us!what are we whining abt??


›› couchpotato
  10-Nov-2010, reply_435811
@Eazy: I have said my bit and that’s the end of it. Like Kingkenny, I cede to your immensely superior intelligence. But in parting, let me put you to the pain of your words – if you feel nothing but contempt for me, why bother reading/replying/contributing/in any way associating to/with my listings? I mean, in any given day, there are anywhere up to 100 listings. Why come to mine?The answer is in the wind, my friend.

It’s Sigmund Freud 101.

@Ashum4: I agree, but we need to start breaking that dependency bit by bit, TODAY!


›› KingKenny
  11-Nov-2010, reply_435813
EazyIll grant you your wish and cede to your always inferred higher intellect,education and whatever makes your ego tick,i will also go further and assuage your ego that its position at the top of MENSA’s list is not under threat, now go back to kissing a German’s ass for your daily bread and work permit

btw never heard of the expression of ”prop up a red herring ” how do u prop up a red herring ?then again my English and Grammar are not ”propped up” to the same lofty heights as yours so ill probably learn a thing or two from the ”Master” himself

JP
” Ocampo has prosecuted other “white” war genocide criminals in Columbia (Latin America)”
My point exactly ,only the latinos ,Africans and the odd Eastern European FYI they are not white period,is it bcos whites are morally superior to the rest of the world? As for local prosecutions good for them but werent these crimes committed in Iraq under the jurisdiction of ICC ? so if they can prosecute them in-house why are we not given that option?


›› KingKenny
  11-Nov-2010, reply_435825
jakenyapoint valid and noted

›› ochuodho J
  11-Nov-2010, reply_435859
Couchpot your problem is you like over dramatizing things.
When the brutal Charles Taylor was arrest for killing and chopping arms from his fellow Africans Koffi Annan was the secretary general of UN.I too have issue why dictator Bush and butt licker Blair are not in Hague
Nevertheless what has African Union done against those who incite violence and dictatorship on fellow Africans..NOTHING no wondrer OAU was described as dictators club where idiots like Amin could be the presiding secretary while throwing the opposition members in river nile.
Have you heard of Milosovic..was he African?

›› JP
  12-Nov-2010, reply_437472
Not my comment, but a friends I was discussing with:
=======
I must respectfully disagree with this gentleman who has come to that Monkey conclussion. If anything i will argue that we Kenyans have forfeited that right to the ICC.

Many inocent victims lost their lives and rather than our justice system righting the wrong, our justice system chose to turn a blind eye. Upto now if my memory serves me right there hasnt been accountablity via our court system.

If i lost a brother or a sister and the person i know killed them walks free, i care less whether lady justice bears a white skin a black skin a European skin or an African skin. All i care about is that justice is served. So if it takes Mr. Ocampo to come to Kenya and shame us into prosecuting the guilty parties then i have no problem with that.

We can easily remedy this by prosecuting our own perpetrators but we choose not to. Let justice be served and justice should be color blind in my eyes.

It is very dangerous (and in my view says alot about us) when we turn the conversation from those that lost their lives and prosecuting the guilty to having a conversation about what color the prosecutor is.

Would i have loved that the prosecutor be Kenyan, yes, but absent that then let justice be served no matter who serves it.

I will agree and support the gentleman regarding prosecuting other perpetrators in the world including Americans for atrocities committed, but that does not mean because they walk free that we should also be let to walk free and Mr Ocampo be sent home. One step at a time.


›› labelle
  13-Nov-2010, reply_437629
JP!!!!!!, hmmmm I know nothing of the political mumbo jumbo spoken by most pple above but may I say you make such good sense. waaa hata no more words
Couch: no words for you from this ‘shattered heart listeress monkey’
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